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Rethink... winners and losers

Both anti-immigrant protesters and anti-capitalists who want a wealth tax share the same mindset; zero-sum thinking. What is it, and how does it explain modern political attitudes?

Do you agree with either of these statements?

Illegal migrants come here and are a burden on services and the taxpayer.
OR
The only way to reduce inequality is to tax billionaires and giant companies who avoid tax.

They may seem on opposite poles of the political spectrum, but both anti-migrant campaigners and anti-capitalists share an identical mindset. Both are demonstrating zero-sum thinking; the belief that if one group wins, another has to lose.

In itself, zero-sum thinking isn't moral or immoral, right or wrong. But Economists claim it leads to poor economic policy, and they say evidence shows it is possible to create win-win situations for everyone.

But many of the main parties at Westminster also use zero-sum thinking in their political rhetoric - from Reform and the Greens, to the Conservatives and Labour. Also, the first past the post electoral system is literally a zero-sum process. So is this kind of thinking baked-into UK politics?

So are there particular groups of people that are more prone to zero-sum beliefs? Where did this mindset come from? What economic conditions encourage zero-sum thinking, and how deeply are these beliefs held?

Presenter: Ben Ansell
Producer: Ravi Naik
Editor: Lisa Baxter

Contributors:
Stefanie Stantcheva, Nathaniel Ropes Professor of Political Economy at Harvard and founder and director of the Social Economics Lab.
Dr Patricia Andrews Fearon, social psychologist at the Golub Capital Social Impact Lab at Stanford University.
Dr Parth Patel, Associate director for democracy & politics at the Institute of Public Policy and Research
Iain Mansfield, Director of Research and Head of Education and Science at Policy Exchange
Cleo Watson, Former Downing Street strategist, adviser to Boris Johnson, author and presenter of Radio 4's "How to win a campaign"

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28 minutes

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Thu 25 Sep 2025 16:00

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  • Thu 25 Sep 2025 16:00
  • Fri 26 Sep 2025 05:04
  • Mon 29 Sep 2025 20:00

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