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Were you the ‘teacher’s pet’ at school? Likened to Roald Dahl’s Matilda? Author and podcaster Daisy Buchanan and QI Elf and writer Anne Miller were both made to feel embarrassed to admit their love of learning when they were at school.

As Matilda the Musical is released in cinemas, they joined Emma Barnett on ÃÛÑ¿´«Ã½ Radio 4’s Woman’s Hour to talk about intelligence, enthusiasm and how being 'the clever girl’ has shaped their lives.

You can listen to the full discussion by heading to ÃÛÑ¿´«Ã½ Sounds - it's the episode from 24 November.