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Europe was free-riding on US

Nick Robinson speaks to Friedrich Merz, the new German Chancellor, about the future of Europe鈥檚 defence amid the growing threat posed by Russia.

Merz, the leader of the centre-right Christian Democrat party, was elected as Chancellor earlier this year at the second attempt, following chaotic scenes in the German Bundestag that saw him lose the first parliamentary vote.

He鈥檚 been in the UK to sign the first-ever friendship treaty between the two countries - it鈥檚 a wide-ranging agreement covering everything from migration to energy, and business to defence.

Unlike his predecessors who, in the shadow of World War Two, were keen to reassure the world that German military strength was not a priority, Chancellor Merz has decided to invest heavily in defence.

He says that a strong army is now essential, thanks to the grave threat Russia poses to European peace and stability - and that Germany must be able to protect itself, and not rely on America.

Chancellor Merz also talks about his good relations with US President Donald Trump, tackling the people smugglers taking migrants through Germany, and the rise of the far right AFD (Alternative f眉r Deutschland) party in his country, which is now the official opposition.

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(Image: Friedrich Merz. Credit: Reuters)

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