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Carrie Carrie | 16:36 UK time, Thursday, 4 March 2010

Hi everyone,

Do you recognise the quote above? It's from Romeo and Juliet and the full quote is:

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Basically, what it means is that what matters is what something is, not what it is called.

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Now, being a good English woman, I probably shouldn't tell you this....but....I don't like Shakespeare. In fact, I loathe Shakespeare! I think it's because we were forced to study him at school...endlessly. Even after many years, I can still recite big chunks of Macbeth. Do you know that some actors are very superstitious about Macbeth? They won't mention the title of the play, but call it "The Scottish play". It is considered bad luck to mention the name Macbeth anywhere in a theatre - but especially in the dressing rooms. I've read that if an actor says "Macbeth" in the theatre, they have to go outside the building, spin round 3 times, spit, curse and then knock on the door to be allowed back in!! Obviously that doesn't apply when they are on stage performing the play!

Anyway, I got well and truly sidetracked there....back to names! Although I don't like Shakespeare, I can see what he was trying to say - how important is a name? My full name is Caroline. Caroline means strong - but my parents chose it because they liked the name, not because they liked the meaning. However, I think I am quite strong! Would I still be strong if I was called something else, though?

The reason I started thinking about names is because there was a report published a couple of weeks ago listing the most popular names in the UK over the last 170 years. The most popular boys' name was John - there have been more than 2 million boys called John since 1837! I noticed that all of the boys' names in the top 10 either come from the bible or are the names of British Kings. The most popular girls' name was Elizabeth: there have been 1,167,650 of them since 1837 - our own Queen is one of them.

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Of course, nowadays, children are often named after pop stars, actors or other famous people. I even know one little girl who is called Crystal Chelsea - because her parents support Crystal Palace and Chelsea football clubs! So, when I looked at the list of most popular names for boys born in 2008, I expected to see lots of Brads, Michaels and Baracks, but instead, William and Harry were in the top ten: can you guess why?

Think about your own name...does it mean something? Did your parents choose your name or did someone else choose it? Did they choose it because they liked it, or because it meant something special? Or did they name you after someone else? I'm looking forward to reading about your name!

Take care

Carrie (or should that be Caroline Elizabeth!!)

P.S. Callum has promised to update you on his baby soon.

P.P.S. For those of you who have read my old blogs, I promise I will give you the answers to my photo quiz and update you on my travels next time.

loathe: to dislike very much
dressing rooms: the rooms in a theatre where actors put on their costumes
to be sidetracked: to forget what you are supposed to be doing and start doing something else

P.P.P.S. Kirsti's comment made me start thinking about idioms and phrases to do with flowers and plants. I'm sure you can think of more!
To let the grass grow round your feet: : to delay doing things instead of taking action
To have green fingers: to be good at growing things
To grasp the nettle: to deal bravely with a problem
Not a bed of roses: something that has unpleasant aspects to it as well as some good ones e.g. Life is not always a bed of roses!
The last straw: the latest in a series of bad events that makes you feel that you cannot bear any more
To hit the hay: to go to bed
Barking up the wrong tree: to try to do something without any chance of success because you do not understand the situation properly
To hold out an olive branch: to show you want to make peace
Pushing up the daisies: if someone is pushing up the daisies, they are dead!
Shrinking violet: someone who is shy


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Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Hello Carrie, I have chosen my internet nickname - Jacqueline - because it is name of a character of one of books by Agatha Christie. She(Jacqueline) is my favourite murderer(no, I actually do not like murderers) because in the novel she sacrifices herself for love by killing her best friend. I think it had to be the most difficult thing she had ever done.
    But you asked about our real names, of course. Mine is from the greek mythology and comes from the god Apolo and one of his muses Apolonia. My parents chose it for me hoping that I may be an artist too. And in this way they succeed. I want to be a writer.
    Apolena
    P.S.: The name "Apolena" was the second most popular name in Bohemia where I come from. But now it is really rare.

  • Comment number 2.

    Carrie you ask how important is a name?I think naming a person is an essential matter.Your name is your identity,the name differs you from others.The image you put of roses helps me to clarfy my point.There is no private name to each rose.It is a rose and another rose and so on.But a human being is an individual with his own character and his own personality and that is the justification to name everyone.
    How to choose a name - this is the point.I beleive you need some creativity to find a unique name that try to difine the person.It may sounds to you ridiculous but some years ago I attended in one of the horse races in England.I was impreesed from the names they gave to the horses! It reflected exactly the horse's character and his advanages.I'm sure the name was choosen after thougt.
    By the way I've read that Mouhamd is one of the top five names for new borns in England. Is it right?
    Danny

  • Comment number 3.

    I agree with you, nowadays, most of parents have named their children for the popularity of names. However, some of them choose the names with the meanings of hope of great achievements for the children in the future. In my opinion, naming a person is not only to allow us to distinguish between people but also to motivate to archive an ambition following its meaning. In addition, the name's meaning should not be violent or ridiculous etc, unless it will cause trouble with those bearing it. I remembered that when studying in primary school, my class has a student named "chan" that its meaning in Vietnamese is boring or desperate. Other students took his name for their jokes, in results, he was lack of confidence and got poor performance in his study. Anyway, my full name is Tienhoa meaning "revolution". My parents chose it because they hope for an improvement in my life. Due to bearing this name, it reminds me to try to achieve the dream of becoming a good person as the expectation of my parents. So far I almost fulfill a PhD program in Chemical Engineering and will become a Doctor of Philosophy. Again I think the name and its meaning are very important in our life. It helps us to contribute confidence as well as motivate to succeed in reaching our goals.

  • Comment number 4.

    Dear moderators,

    Would you mind changing the word "revolution" into "evolution" in my comment above. I have made a typo on it.

    Thanks and Regards,

    Nguyen Tien Hoa

  • Comment number 5.

    Hi, Carrie and everybody.

    I was named after my father's sister, my aunt. So when I was a child there were the two of us: Big Kirsti and Little Kirsti.

    As for roses, my grandmother's second forename was Rosina. - I myself was twice in the same morning called a rose. It happened in a B&B. When I came down I chose a place; I didn't think it would have been better to wait for someone to suggest me the place I should take. But this morning there were many people belonging to the same group on the hotel. When the other guests came down for breakfast they sat down around the big table on the chairs that still were empty and so I sat in the middle of the members of this group, having one man on my right hand and another on my left. Instead of telling me I had made a social gaffe at first one person and then later on a second one used an expression - I don't remember exactly which one - where I was likened to a rose. It was kindly flattering instead of making me feel I was on the wrong place, splitting the group.

    William and Harry were in the top ten names in the UK, you said, and asked us to guess why. Because of Harry Potter for Harry, of course! (just kidding, but I am not a royalist).

    Kirsti

  • Comment number 6.

    Hi Kirsti,

    I'm guessing the expression they used was "A rose between two thorns": it means something lovely between two things that are not so lovely: in this case a lovely lady between sitting between two men! It was a lovely compliment!

    Carrie

  • Comment number 7.

    Greetings Carrie and all.
    It is very interesting discussion and I find myself ponder about it and react again.
    Do you know what is the meaning of "NN".I didn't know till today when I've read an article about what is going on in Chile after the earthquke.
    This is the way they mark on the covers of the unknown bodies - No Name.There are many NNs there.I beleive that such a touching news helps us to appreciate the importance of the name.
    Danny

  • Comment number 8.

    Peace, ho! Caesar speaks.
    And do You recognise the quote above:-)?
    Hi, Carrie.
    Thanks for your good question for discussion. You are superb teacher because I see you are very interesting storyteller.
    Well, how important is a name, you asked us. Certainly. For instance, I'm stockroom worker and often I have to carry or lift up some heavy cargoes and this situations my name always help me, particularly when I carry a sacks, full of cement onto my back. My name is Emat means support (pile; fulcrum).
    Regards, Emat.

  • Comment number 9.

    Hello Carrie,

    There's always something interesting from you.Talking of my name, I was named after a famous singer then and my name was chosen by my paternal aunts (my father's sisters). The singer's name was Naheed Akhtar and she was the most famous singer in those days so maybe my aunts might have in their mind that I would also become famous with this name:), how I wish if this really comes true one day :).

    All the best,

    Naheed from Pakistan

  • Comment number 10.

    I've added a few idioms and phrases to my blog. They are all to do with plants and flowers. If you want to test yourself on these phrases, look out for a 蜜芽传媒 Learning English crossword about this subject in a few weeks!

  • Comment number 11.

    Hello Carrie!

    I have enjoyed reading your entry, as always. Well, I got my name from my parents just because they liked it. I did a Google search for the meaning of my name and found out that Anita is the pet form of Spanish Ana, made from Ana plus Juanita, meaning: favour, grace. When I was a child all my dolls were called Csilla. When my daughter was born there was not any doubt that my little baby girl would receive the name: Csilla. The name Csilla was created by V枚r枚smarty Mih谩ly, who is a Hungarian poet, from the Hungarian word 'csillag'. The word 'csillag' means star (object in space) in English. Anyway, I love my name. If I had had a second baby girl I would have named her Anita. Talking about babies, I am looking forward to reading Callum's update on his baby with great interest.

    Thank you, Carrie for enriching your blog with idioms. Reading Emilio's recent blog has inspired me to do more Google search. When I was thinking about idioms and phrases with flowers and plants, I did a Google search for 鈥渋dioms with flowers鈥 and found lots of them. I do not want to break the house rules so I will not mention the links here but you might do the same. Here are some of my favourites:

    Cannot see the forest for its trees
    Touch wood! or Knock on wood!
    Never a rose without the prick
    Out of the woods
    The grass is always greener of the other side of the fence
    April showers bring May flowers

    Looking forward to hearing from you. Take care,

    Anita, Slovakia

  • Comment number 12.

    Dear Carrie and everybody,

    I鈥檓 Ditta from Hungary. I鈥檓 a new here but I think it is a very good opportunity for improving my English. Thanks.

    My name is a rare hungarian name. Primarily it was a nickname of Judit and Edit but by this time it has become several name. My parents chose it from a book of hungarian forenames. They liked sounding of it and it matches my family name. Many times I have to repeat and explain it the firsth encountering, even so I love my name very much because if I phone I have to say only 鈥橧鈥檓 Ditta鈥 without family name :).

    In Hungary there is a traditional when we celebrate the name鈥檚 day. This is a very nice and popular ceremony like a birth鈥檚 day. I didn鈥檛 use to celebrate my name鈥檚 day because there was not my name in the calendar, but fortunatelly it changed few years ago :).

    In my opinion the favorite names are very different in several time. In these days I see that the most popular names are the ancient hungarian names and the famouse people鈥檚 names in Hungary.

    All the best,
    Ditta, Hungary

  • Comment number 13.

    Hello Carrie,

    So far I have wanted to write that forenames don't have great importance for our life. The greatest significance has the upbringing us by our parents. But when I was reading all comments I was thinking so that I check importance my forename. My name's Radek and it means person: accurate, independent, consistent itp. So I think that both of them things have importance.
    With kindest regards
    Radek

  • Comment number 14.

    Dear Carrie,

    I really enjoyed reading your blog very much indeed.

    The first letter of my name starts with an 'A'and it was my father's idea so I can always be the first at everything. He did the same to my brothers' names.

    A poem came to my mind while I was reading your blog and I'd like to share it with you and those who are going to read my comment, I said it to my wife once lol:

    I called upon your eyes to find Spring floating over my lips ... studded with kisses of lilies ... O'you, apple's gasp enchanting the dawn that falls for the streams

    I don't remember the rest of it which luckily saves everybody's time (smiling).

    Best regards

  • Comment number 15.

    Hi, Carrie. My name is louis, nice to read ur blog and thanks for ur efforts here. My boss gave this name to me several years ago because she
    like the meanings of it. Louis is the name of King's of France and she is french so she likes the name.

    Best regards,
    louis

  • Comment number 16.

    Hy, Carrie.
    My name is Natalie.It means- 'Christmas Day' from Latin 'natala domini'.The name has traditionally been more common among Easten Christians than those in the West. There are few differences in writting:Natalia, Natalio, Natalee and etc. My mum chose it because she liked the heroine of L.Tolstoy's novel 'War and Peace' Natasha Rostova.
    My full name is Natalie, my home name- Natasha. 'home name' -is it a right expression? To my mind, has a huge influence on me.
    Natalie, Russia

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  • Comment number 19.

    Hello, Carrie!
    A name is the first thing a baby has. And it cacarries it through all its life. We're recognesed by our name and it rules us. I'm blassed to have a good one. It means holy, in Russin version- Olga. People call me just Olja. I can't say I'm holy, but I try to do my best to be kind, patient, and tolerant. I called my san Svjatoslav after sant Olga's san too. He is my angel! I hope he'll become a good guy.

    With love Helga.

  • Comment number 20.

    Hi Carrie,
    As always, your blogs are very informative and interesting.
    My name Cristina is a latin one and it comes directly from the word "Christ" (in Spanish "Cristo").
    This name was very popular during the 1960s.
    I think both my parents chose my name and I'm very proud of it. My second name is Mabel. My mother liked it, but my father liked Monica instead. My mother won. Mabel is an English name and it's the abbreviation of Amabel. It means lovable, dear.
    Have a nice day.
    Best wishes,
    Cris

  • Comment number 21.

    Dear carrie,

    Your article is really interesting.My name Bernadet Rosita Widiyanti (the meaning is first rose-I am the first daughter) and my brother name is Danang Dwi Atmoko (mean second man) because he is the second child. In my country, old people (especially Javanese) name their children based on their hope for their kid. If they want their kid be a patient person, they will name him Sabar ( mean patient), or based on birth sequence example eka, dwi, tri ( from sansekerta words mean one, two, three). For Javanese, name is prayer from the parents and they don't have family name. The third name is not family name ( it;s not Javanese culture to give family name). My third name (Widiyanti) different with my brother name ( Atmoko) and we meet some difficult situation when we want fill international formulir ( some people have only one name like Suparman).
    Different ethnic in Indonesia have different culture, like Batak ethnic , they use clan name as family name like Simbolon, Tambunan, Balinese use sequence birth name like Made, Gede, Wayan etc, Bugis ethnic use Andi. Actually , in Indonesia you can tell their ethnic from their name.
    Recently, many people name their child from Al Quran ( Moslem bible) or Arabic language (like Azizah, Daffa etc) or based on popular character in television drama ( Fitri from Cinta Fitri Drama (in Indonesian Television)) or make an western sound ( for being trendy) like agatha, agnes,etc.
    So , There are many ways to name child in my country, the key sentence = name is prayer form the parents.

    Thank you for your attention , Carrie

  • Comment number 22.

    Dear carrie,

    Your article is really interesting.My name Bernadet Rosita Widiyanti (the meaning is first rose-I am the first daughter) and my brother name is Danang Dwi Atmoko (mean second man) because he is the second child. In my country, old people (especially Javanese) name their children based on their hope for their kid. If they want their kid be a patient person, they will name him Sabar ( mean patient), or based on birth sequence example eka, dwi, tri ( from sansekerta words mean one, two, three). For Javanese, name is prayer from the parents and they don't have family name. The third name is not family name ( it's not Javanese culture to give family name). My third name (Widiyanti) different with my brother name ( Atmoko) and we meet some difficult situation when we must fill family name column in international formulir ( some people only have one name like Suparman).
    Different ethnic in Indonesia have different culture, like Batak ethnic, they use clan name as family name like Simbolon, Tambunan, Balinese use sequence birth name like Made, Gede, Wayan etc, Bugis ethnic use Andi. Actually , in Indonesia you can tell their ethnic from their name.
    Recently, many people name their child from Al Quran ( Moslem bible) or Arabic language (like Azizah, Daffa etc) or based on popular character in television drama ( Fitri from Cinta Fitri Drama -in Indonesian Television)) or make an western sound ( for being trendy) like agatha, agnes,caroline etc.
    So , There are many ways to name child in my country, the key sentence = name is prayer from the parents.

    Thank you for your attention , Carrie

  • Comment number 23.

    Hi Carrie,
    I really enjoyed your blog..I'm from Turkey and my name "melek" means "angel" in English..Thanks for your nice blog..

    Best wishes,
    Melek...

    PS:the pics of flowers looks very lovely..:)

  • Comment number 24.

    Wow! I'm sorry it's taken me so long to reply to all your comments. Helga - I'd never thought of it before, but you're right - a name is the first gift given to a baby - something that will always be theirs. Reading all your comments it seems as if a lot of cultures take great care when naming a child.

    Natasha - in English we wouldn't say home name. We would say something like "My name is Natalie, but my friends call me Natasha". You can also say my "pet name", but this usually means a cute name - something that only your partner might call you!

  • Comment number 25.

    hi, Carrie
    i'm so happy to read your article, in fact, i'm confused with my English name.
    i didn't have English name when i was a child, so i want to choose an English name for myself. the two names i like are Sibyl and Cybele, i like both of the names, but i don't know how to choose. could you tell me which would you like better? thanks very much.

  • Comment number 26.

    Hello,

    I want to improve my english so what should I do to immprove my english.Kindly help me I will very thankful to you.

    Regards
    imon

  • Comment number 27.

    Hi Caroline!
    I find your post very interesting! Im from Vietnam and my name is Thuw, it means "knowledge" in English, Im called "Thuw" because the name of my dad means "learning" "Dawng". When I read something about England, I wish my name were "Elizabeth" therefore all my best friends called me by this name, its very exciting when to be called by the name!
    Once again, thanks for your post!

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